• Flax@feddit.uk
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      9 months ago

      Good deities don’t intentionally cause pain and suffering and drag everyone down with them. There’s nothing good about Satan.

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        I agree, that’s why I said that God, the one who sent locusts and killed innocent children, submerged the world for 40 days killing everyone indiscriminately, and razed Sodom and Gomorrah to the ground, is the evil deity.

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          Sodom and Gomorrah deserved it, it was made clear in that by Lot existing. Everyone in the flood also deserved it, apart from Noah which is why Noah was saved. The “children” weren’t innocent or else God wouldn’t have killed them.

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            “Good deities don’t intentionally cause pain and suffering. Unless it’s God, in which case mass genocide and killing children is perfectly justified.”

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            Do you realize that you’re justifying genocide on the pretence that people you never knew “deserved it”?

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              God knew them though. And it wasn’t because of their race, but because of what they did.

              Also, how was Sodom and Gomorrah ‘genocide’? It had nothing to do with race

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          9 months ago

          If going by Christian theology, literally every atrocity in human history was caused by Satan. Even if fictional, there’s literally no redeeming qualities of Satan

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            Interesting, so who created the fruit of knowledge? Who then decided that we would die and feel pain? Who flooded the earth? Who took up a bet to torture job? And that’s barely scraping the old testament

            Meanwhile, who offered food and water to a starving madman in the desert?

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              We decided we’d die and feel pain. We deserved the flood, and it was literally satan who tortured Job. satan didn’t even offer Jesus food, he just told Him to turn the rocks into food with His own power.

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                You missed a very, very important keyword there: “deserved.”

                Theologians miss a key point of rational debate where they don’t provide proper definitions and make big assumptions that aren’t great.

                Who defines what the “correct” effect of an action is? Who defines what consequence is deserved by a choice? If God is the almighty being, he decides what is right and wrong. In Abrahamic tradition, God defines all of these arbitrary rules and expects humanity to obey them without question. Shit, God ordered Abraham himself to murder despite that supposedly being against the rules.

                God is like a kid that holds a magnifying glass focused on an arbitrary point near the anthill. He set up the conditions for us to hurt ourselves according to his arbitrary rules. Why didn’t he tell Satan to fuck off with the fruit? Why did he allow Satan to exist in the first place? If God created everything, then he is responsible for everything by our human logic. So God can fuck right off