I would hope the Fedora isn’t the only one that cares about security
Nixos: everything everywhere all at once
Good for you there wasn’t an “ease of use” or “intuitive” field.
you don’t even need to know where, you don’t even need to know when. that’s how every it gets
NixOS is from Max Verstappen country not Sebastian Vettel country
Flexibility translates to unpredictable.
I’ve never had any issues with my Arch install being unpredictable. It has always worked exactly as I expected it to, even though I update it every couple of days.
I’ve been using Arch since 2014. If I could be arsed, I could write you a looooooooong list of regressions I’ve had to deal with over the years. For an experienced Linux user, they’re usually fairly easy to deal with, but saying you never have to deal with anything is just a lie.
My experience with Arch is basically: it’s all very predictable until it isn’t and you suddenly find yourself troubleshooting something random like unexplainable bluetooth disconnects caused by a firmware or kernel update.
It has always worked exactly as I expected it to
Just expect it to break, then it will behave as expected taps head
Well I set up automated timeshift on btrfs, so maybe that’s why it’s playing nice.
What? I love Arch, it’s so god damn stable and fast.
absolutely not. look at nixos.
Once i get another machine to dick around on ill try installing arch.
Just use kvm/qemu and install it. When I want to play with detailed setups I install slackware and start configuring/compiling.
yeah i could do that. When i installed it i had a problem booting logging in, it wouldn’t goto the DE.
When you run OpenSUSE, you can feel it was made by Germans.
The installer is a beautiful example of German engineering.
The package manager is a perfect example of German over-engineering.
If you run it with KDE, you have 2 redundant GUI admin tools for every config in the system, and 4 for setting up printers.German engineering.
Thank you for the nostalgia
Yeah that sounds like a typical BMW engine layout.
It’s amazing how OpenSUSE got my laptop’s valve covers to leak oil.
Sees “Germany”
Die Kommentarspalte dieser Pfostierung befindet sich ab sofort im Besitz der Bundesrepublik Deutschland meine Kameraden!
Ahoi, Genosse! Wie läuft die Germanisierung? Verbreiten Sie erfolgreich das Wort von Linux in Ihrem Heimatland?
(Übersetzung von DeepL)
Ohhh ich spreche auch Wurst. Wie geht es ihnen mein Herr, toetet den fuehrer und benutzt Linux statt Fenster.
Wir sprechen Kraut, bitte sehr.
Somehow, I feel called out.
I mean, I’m on Debian and I’m on the same install instance I’ve had for almost four years now. I’m constantly reading about how some of you people keep hosing your other distros with a normal update…
Four years? Some rookie numbers you got there.
Maybe they mean four year uptime…
Some of us were riding Windows 7 into the ground, specifically when Steam stopped supporting it.
- Recent Ubuntu convert, even more recent Debian convert
Real. Though sometimes running a recent version of something is a real challenge, unless it ships in appimage. If it’s a small program you can usually backport the package from unstable or just build it yourself, but if it depends on some rust or js libraries or whathaveyou you have to do so much crap you might as well just be running trixie
Couldn’t Distrobox get you through that?
Sure, but honestly I hate the idea of having different runtimes. That’s the reason why I like neither snaps nor flatpaks.
Fedora 41 is now the ‘wait 45 seconds every boot because you don’t have a tpm chip’ version.
What’s wrong with your Fedora installation? Mine doesn’t do that (also without a TPM chip)
Fedora shouldn’t be touching the TPM at all
Can i get some context please? My fedora install wasn’t using TPM, i had to manually configure it; i haven’t noticed any difference in boot speed with or without TPM encryption
Why wouldn’t you just use a password?
that’s annoying. my laptop has TPM and i also encrypted the disk
Fedora is security? I mean, don’t get me wrong, I love it, it’s my daily driver after trying just about every distro under the sun, but I would’ve figured something like Qubes would stand head and shoulders above it.
Maybe Fedora Atomic?
I mean, image based (immutable) distros are quite a bit more secure than regular ones, and Fedora Atomic (Silverblue, Bazzite, etc.) is pretty much the only great choice when it comes to those kind of operating systems.
One of the few with SELinux by default
Outside of everything else that has MAC enabled by default. It doesn’t even ship with a Firewall.
As a Fedora user, I thought Debian would be more secure.
i would say fedora is the “security distro for every day people” kind of distro
Qubes is specialised, whereas Fedora is a general purpose distro with a security focus.
Fedora doesn’t have any more of a security focus than anything else in the industry
It has SELinux, what does ubuntu (for example) has?
Apparmor
Terminal, Terminal, Terminal, German Terminal
Console, Console, Console, Konsole
Konsole must be a KDE app, but since KDE is a German project…
Hmm… k.de
Helau! Ach warte…
do you use lynx for web browsing?
*Links 🇩🇪
??
Links means Left in german. Same pronunciation. Bilingual play on words if you will.
oh lol. what is right in german?
Who doesn’t?
I mean version 2.9.2 just came out in May.
i tried living in the terminal but i had no one to talk to
If you have a decent GPU or CPU, you can just set up ollama with ollama-cuda/ollama-rocm and run llama3.1 or llama3.1-uncensored.
I have a ryzen 5 laptop. not really decent enough for that workload. and im not crazy about AI.
I bet even my Pi Zero W could run such a model*
* with 1 character per hour or so
We’re in your terminal: https://github.com/LunaticHacker/lemmy-terminal-viewer
😍
sadly based on the latest issues submitted and my experience, the app no longer works: https://github.com/LunaticHacker/lemmy-terminal-viewer/issues/11
The four fundamental Ys
Qubes is the actuall security distro tho.
Qubes is specialised, though. The four distros above are general purpose with a focus.
That seems pretty arbitrary
¯\_(ツ)_/¯
How slow is qubes? I imagine that virtualising everything is slow. Does it have a containerised mode?
As slow as you expect, at least on anything that requires gpu such as watching videos
I’m sorry…but what? It containerizes everything!?
No, virtualize.
It really isnt that slow virtualization overhead is pretty minimal nowdays.
It’s decent as long as you have adequate numbers of cpu cores and memory for the apps/VMs you run
OpenSUSE is the “all of the above” of Linux distros
It is? I had tumbleweed installed and switched to fedora after only a few weeks because it kept freezing.
Weird. I promptly tried Fedora and switched to Tumbleweed after Fedora kept crashing soon after startup. Hardware configuration probably affects the outcome a lot.
The only fair comparison of Linux distros is always on devices of Linux vendors as they both pick the right hardware as well as merge Kernel patches if necessary.
I do however concur that OpenSuse offers basically everything. Except for intuitive system settings - but at least they’re all there, you never really have to use the CLI. Other than with others who will eventually lack something. Also the bootable btrfs snapshots by default are a dream for common users.
oh my girlfriend’s laptop also just keeps freezing with opensuse. do you have an nvidia card by any chance?
nvidia card by any chance?
I think random freezing is one of the symptoms of installing it with Ventoy. Ventoy mucks up one of the installer flags or something like that, so even wiki indicates it’s not supported. (Neither is installing it from the Live version, if I’m not mistaken.)
Correct! Ventoy adds boot parameters on its own, screwing up some fundamental settings (sth. that can happen on any distro that isn’t making the user configure everything by hand). It’s also a questionable piece of software on its own given the binary blob it adds to every stick… do not use it.
I don’t get the Germany part, and I’m German
Check the comment from superkret, basically overengineered, redundant and not very intuitive.
I work in german SW development, so I understand. I would put it like this, german backends are among the best you can find but german frontends are usually complicated and not intuitive…
The main problem is the way YaST2 is (not) integrated with the modern KDE and Gnome settings. Gnome 40 then screwed things up even more for them as every item is now part of the overview, there ain’t the classical menu anymore.
If you know where to find things it’s great, but right now it indeed feels quite messy with lots of settings hard to find and split in lots of submenus.
Thanks 💖
SUSE is a German company
I know, but I don’t get the joke. We don’t do these around here
I think it means that OpenSUSE is “all of the above”—stability, flexibility, security—because those are qualities frequently attributed to German things/products.
It isn’t really a joke in the sense of it making fun of Germany or anything like that.
I see. Thanks 💖
SUSE was a German company a century ago, then it changed hands more than a soap bar in a public restroom and now I have no idea if it’s even a terrestrial company anymore
It’s a german company again, however currently seated in Luxembourg.
