• nocturne@sopuli.xyz
    link
    fedilink
    arrow-up
    0
    ·
    18 days ago

    And all of those babies are in loving caring homes that can afford to take care of them? None of the families were forced to keep them?

    • Dr. Wesker@lemmy.sdf.org
      link
      fedilink
      arrow-up
      0
      ·
      18 days ago

      I hear your argument, but I also wonder what percentage of people think back and say, “My childhood wasn’t ideal, I wish I had never been born at all.”

        • realcaseyrollins@thelemmy.club
          link
          fedilink
          arrow-up
          0
          arrow-down
          1
          ·
          18 days ago

          TBF yeah we don’t hear those people complain because they just kill themselves. But even then, they should be given that choice rather than being murdered before birth.

  • Ghyste@sh.itjust.works
    link
    fedilink
    arrow-up
    0
    ·
    17 days ago

    Yet another ignorant fool thinks he knows better than scientific consensus…

    Life doesn’t begin at conception, you dunce. You can stop say an abortion is equal to “saving babies” anytime now. That is a ridiculous untruth.

      • JakenVeina@lemm.ee
        link
        fedilink
        arrow-up
        0
        ·
        17 days ago

        It doesn’t. Life is a continuum, it doesn’t care what artificial labels we try to put on things. A fertilized egg is just as alive as an unfertilized one, or a sperm cell, by any scientific definition of life, highlights how useless it is to try and use that definition to argue about abortion.

          • JakenVeina@lemm.ee
            link
            fedilink
            arrow-up
            0
            ·
            17 days ago

            From the National Institute for Health

            In biology, it is generally agreed that organisms that possess the following seven characteristics are animate or living beings and thus possess life: the ability to respire, grow, excrete, reproduce, metabolize, move, and be responsive to the environment

            The article as a whole elaborates that even trying to pin down a single definiton of life is a bit of a fool’s errand, much less trying to use such a definition to support arguments about when life starts or stops.

            From the Stanford Encyclopedia of Philosophy (which actually is just re-quoting an entirely different article, one of many discussed within)

            We propose to define living systems as those that are: (1) composed of bounded micro-environments in thermodynamic equilibrium with their surroundings; (2) capable of transforming energy to maintain their low-entropy states; and (3) able to replicate structurally distinct copies of themselves from an instructional code perpetuated indefinitely through time despite the demise of the individual carrier through which it is transmitted.

            From a University of Minnesota Introduction to Biology course

            All groups of living organisms share several key characteristics or functions: order, sensitivity or response to stimuli, reproduction, adaptation, growth and development, regulation, homeostasis, and energy processing. When viewed together, these characteristics serve to define life.

            In short, there really isn’t any unified definition of life. Comparing different definitions, there’s common themes that emerge, but nothing that supports saying conception is when it starts. If you’re going to use that definition, you can’t support it by saying that “science” defines it that way.

      • Ledivin@lemmy.world
        link
        fedilink
        arrow-up
        0
        ·
        edit-2
        18 days ago

        To fight against your misleading propaganda.

        Do these children live in happy, healthy homes?

        …or are they resented every day by their parents that were forced to have them, slowly building up childhood trauma that, by all studies on the topic, will never be resolved and will always plague them?

        …or are they forced into the already-overburdened foster system, where children are regularly abused and neglected? Oh, and just to be clear, you’re aware that Texas has among the most crowded systems in the country, right?

        Ohhhh sorry, I forgot you’re all just pro-birth instead of pro-life.

        • realcaseyrollins@thelemmy.club
          link
          fedilink
          arrow-up
          0
          arrow-down
          1
          ·
          18 days ago

          So, what, kill everyone who can’t live in a healthy home?

          This mindset is insane and it’s so weird that people who hold it act like they have the moral high ground or something.

              • Dr. Wesker@lemmy.sdf.org
                link
                fedilink
                arrow-up
                0
                ·
                edit-2
                18 days ago

                They’re indirectly advocating for classism and suggesting that the “undesirables” aren’t worthy of life, and/or can’t attain personal or economic value.

                It’s really fucking weird when you think about it. Like, pick a lane.

                • realcaseyrollins@thelemmy.club
                  link
                  fedilink
                  arrow-up
                  0
                  arrow-down
                  1
                  ·
                  18 days ago

                  It’s weird, to be sure, and maybe I’m being pedantic, but genocide refers specifically to genetics and that doesn’t seem to be why most of the people here support abortion. Pro-abortion arguments are usually ageist or ableist rather than genocidal.