GrapheneOS attestation compatibility guide
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Guide on using remote attestation in a way that's compatible with GrapheneOS.

cross-posted from: https://slrpnk.net/post/15995282

Real unfortunate news for GrapheneOS users as Revolut has decided to ban the use of ‘non-google’ approved OSes. This is currently being posted about and updated by GrahpeneOS over at Bluesky for those who want to follow it more closely.

Edit: had to change the title, originally it said Uber too but I cannot find back to the source of ether that’s true or not…

  • floreana@poliverso.org
    2·
    19 hours ago

    @Sunny
    Gatekeeprs of wealth sticking together against the ambition for freedom of poorer people?
    Oh, color me surprised. 🙄

    (I want to de-Google step by step, thanks for the heads up).

  • ouch@lemmy.world
    10·
    2 days ago

    Google has ruined Android by closing it up.

    EU needs to step in and force Google to open it up.

    While at it, go for Apple’s monopoly as well.

  • Andromxda 🇺🇦🇵🇸🇹🇼@lemmy.dbzer0.comEnglish
    25·
    2 days ago

    I don’t think it’s a coincidence that the shittiest companies are those, who enforce Google’s broken and monopolistic “Play Integrity” API. Revolut has connections to Russia, McDonalds supports the Israeli genocide in Palestine and Authy has always just been a massive piece of shit, not even allowing users to export their TOTP seeds. These are three companies I would NEVER even consider using anyway.

    And “Play Integrity” API actually does NOTHING, absolutely NOTHING for your security as an end user.
    You use an outdated, unpatched Android version with multiple severe, publicly known exploits on an insecure device?
    Google doesn’t give a single fuck.
    You use the newest version of Android with all the patches applied on Google’s own hardware, with a locked boot loader and a hardened operating system?
    That’s not allowed by the “Play Integrity” API.
    It’s only purpose is to serve Google’s monopolistic business interests.

  • Dr. Moose@lemmy.worldEnglish
    17·
    2 days ago

    Authy has been utter garbage for a long time and if you ever needed a reason to migrate away then now is as good as ever.

  • Roopappy@lemmy.world
    25·
    2 days ago

    Why would anyone load an app from McDonalds? You want to give them elevated access to your most personal data for a few dollars of coupons?

    What are they taking from you that’s worth more than the discounts they are giving you? Because they are definitely making a profit, or they wouldn’t be doing it.

    • Sips'@slrpnk.netOP
      13·
      2 days ago

      We are definitely in the era where people think discounts before user privacy. I bet most of people downloading the Mcdonald app do it exactly because of cheeper prices and easy of access.

      • dharmik@linuxusers.in
        21·
        2 days ago

        just had medium fries and coke. i and many i know use the mc D app because of the discounts it gives when i order through my app.

      • dharmik@linuxusers.in
        11·
        2 days ago

        just had medium fries and coke. i and many i know use the mc D app because of the discounts it gives when i order through my app.

      • dharmik@linuxusers.in
        11·
        2 days ago

        just had medium fries and coke. many people i know, including myself, use the mcd app because of the discounts it offers when ordering through the app. however, i am under the impression that since i use an ios device and have the option to decline being tracked by the app—which i very eagerly press “no” to—i am on the safe side. am i?

        • pound_heap@lemm.ee
          6·
          2 days ago

          Apple does extensive audit of mobile apps, including limitations of tracking. So the app cannot spy on something you are not letting it to know. But you are giving it a bunch of info voluntarily.

          I’d say using that app on iOS is similar to making a food delivery order using a loyalty member ID. Basically, you are letting the company (McDonald’s) know who you are, what is your phone number, where do you live, and what do you like to eat. And if they wish to, they could use all that to purchase your profile from a data brocker. Or they can sell that info for a few cents to make up on that discount.

      • dharmik@linuxusers.in
        11·
        2 days ago

        just had medium fries and coke. i and many i know use the mc D app because of the discounts it gives when i order through my app.

      • dharmik@linuxusers.in
        11·
        2 days ago

        just had medium fries and coke. i and many i know use the mc D app because of the discounts it gives when i order through my app.

  • kata_ton_daimona@lemm.eeEnglish
    5·
    2 days ago

    Small OT: In the article it’s mentioned also the app “IO” (italian for the english word “I”). There are also other important italian apps not working without play services. The serious thing is that that apps are almost mandatory to do the ordinary public administration bureaucracy. We can say that the italian state forces its citizens to use a smartphone with Google Play Services installed. This is no sense.

    • granolabar@kbin.melroy.org
      1·
      2 days ago

      modern fascism in action… state and corporate fusion. however, WHY DA FAQ would Italian state do this for the benefit of a foreign corporation…

      I get US part of NATO but wtf

  • qaz@lemmy.worldEnglish
    5·
    2 days ago

    Oh great, I guess I’ll have to change my payment info for everything now. Fantastic.

    • 4lan@lemmy.world
      5·
      2 days ago

      It’s crazy how they can just do illegal things because they have so much money…

      Do I own my phone or not??

        • theroff@aussie.zone
          2·
          1 day ago

          Graphene shills have been banging on this point for donkey’s ages. Reality is that many people use phones that are out of OEM support and many OEM ROMs are bundled with questionable software (Oppo, Samsung etc.) There are some decent criticisms to be made about LineageOS, but others to be made about Grapheme, like its Google-suggestive configurations, which is quite bad for security and privacy. Graphene says this is all optional and not part of the OS, but doesn’t include any equivalent F-Droid installer.

          • DoeJohn@lemmy.world
            2·
            6 hours ago

            Yeah. As much as I love GrapheneOS and all the security work, sometimes I feel like their “ideal” setup is to just install GrapheneOS on the latest Pixel phone and use only the 5 or so built in apps, as everything else is insecure, brings additional code baggage and can introduce flaws. I don’t think anyone can live like that.

  • mlg@lemmy.worldEnglish
    3·
    2 days ago

    I swear I am so close to jumping into the void of mainline linux on phones.

    The only main issue is device drivers, but I would be fine happily extracting them from android or making new ones. Modern Android is a complete full stack POS.

  • HiddenLayer555@lemmy.mlEnglish
    337·
    4 days ago

    This makes me want to use GrapheneOS more. If the dataminers don’t want you to use it then it must be doing something right.

      • Realitaetsverlust@lemmy.zipEnglish
        64·
        4 days ago

        It’s only officially supported on google phones because sadly those are the only ones that are not modified to fuck which makes installing and supporting other OS’es way too much work.

        Giving google money once for a device is not a problem from a privacy or security standpoint.

        • Samsy@lemmy.ml
          26·
          3 days ago

          That’s correct, but not the reason grapheneOS chooses only pixel phones. It’s the level of hardware security features.

          • XTL@sopuli.xyz
            101·
            3 days ago

            Also unlockable and presumably has well working builds. It’s not just graphene, but just about every Android project it there that’s best supported on pixels. Other manufacturers have a crazy variety of locking schemes and required tools. Each one is a nightmare to support.

            • orange@communick.news
              14·
              3 days ago

              For GrapheneOS, it’s primarily that it’s re-lockable. That’s why other unlockable phones aren’t supported.

              The GrapheneOS install process sets new OS signing keys so you can lock the phone again and get full verified boot. However, most manufacturers haven’t implemented this feature.

              • fuzzzerd@programming.devEnglish
                1·
                3 days ago

                What do you get, app/feature wise for verified boot vs. Play integrity app? Does it increase the amount of apps that work on it?

                • lad@programming.devEnglish
                  1·
                  3 days ago

                  I would guess that it allows to detect tampering if you have to give your phone to the security officers and they do or don’t do something with it without you present. I heard of such occurrences on the border, but this happens in other places and countries, too. Not sure if locked bootloader would help, though

        • Irelephant@lemm.ee
          3·
          3 days ago

          In the EU almost every phone has an unlockable bootloader, there just isn’t any roms or custom recoveries for a lot of them.

        • HiddenLayer555@lemmy.mlEnglish
          42·
          3 days ago

          Wish they’d at least support Fairphone.

          If Graphene reached out to them I bet Fairphone would even actively work with them to make it an official OS option.

          • ryannathans@aussie.zone
            521·
            4 days ago

            Someone installing graphene os for security shouldn’t be trusting random second/third/etc hand hardware lol

              • XTL@sopuli.xyz
                91·
                3 days ago

                Hypothetically the hardware could have been modified, but that would take some insane level of a determined attacker to be fabricating modified pixels just to sell them on the used market.

                • Anivia@feddit.org
                  7·
                  3 days ago

                  Yes, this would only be a concern for targeted attacks by state actors, in which case not even buying new would be safe.

                  Thinking about it, in such a scenario buying used may even be safer

                • OrganicMustard@lemmy.world
                  3·
                  3 days ago

                  It also comes with a hardware auditor, although you need another trusted graphene phone to use it. I don’t know about the details, but sounds very hard to mess with it.

                • Venia Silente@lemm.eeEnglish
                  11·
                  2 days ago

                  Nothing too hypothetical nor an “insane” level of work. Didn’t Israel do just that with some beepers to blow up children?

            • Auli@lemmy.caEnglish
              7·
              3 days ago

              Shouldn’t trust anything then. They could intercept your new phone and modify it. They did it for switches. But your not worth it for “them”.

        • 50MYT@aussie.zone
          104·
          3 days ago

          Your options are:

          Apple phone

          Bloated android phone like Samsung etc.

          Chinese android phone (xiami etc)

          Google phone with Android

          Google phone with graphene. This still looks like the best of those options.

          Or no phone? I guess people are hardcore enough that will be the option.

          Edit: I stand corrected.

            • Killercat103@slrpnk.net
              4·
              3 days ago

              Is swiftphone its own thing or did you mean shiftphone? I kinda want the shiftphone 8 myself even if they only ship to neighboring countries of mine.

            • Andromxda 🇺🇦🇵🇸🇹🇼@lemmy.dbzer0.comEnglish
              11·
              2 days ago

              All of these are insecure as hell. Linux phones especially https://madaidans-insecurities.github.io/linux-phones.html

              Fairphone also really fucked up: They signed their own OS with the publicly available (!) AOSP test signing keys. These guys really don’t know that they’re doing, and I would trust their hardware or software whatsoever. And no, installing a custom ROM doesn’t solve this. Considering how bad their security practices are, we genuinely have to assume that there are security issues with the device firmware as well.

              /e/OS is based on the already insecure LineageOS, and it weakens the security further, so it’s not a good option either.

              None of the options you mentioned can be compared to GrapheneOS. It’s currently the best option if you value your privacy and security. You don’t have to give Google money either, since you can just buy a used device, which is also cheaper and more environmentally friendly. Google also makes repairing their devices pretty easy for consumers and even works with iFixit. Here’s a Mastodon post I recently saw about that: https://social.linux.pizza/@midtsveen/113630773097519792

              • Venia Silente@lemm.eeEnglish
                1·
                2 days ago

                An used Pixel, assuming I can find one in my country, still costs four (4) times what I need to shell out for a in-market Lineage compatible phone.

                Theoretical security is cute, but it has to be adjusted to practical feasibility. The most secure computer in the world is useless to you if you can’t boot it up.

                • Andromxda 🇺🇦🇵🇸🇹🇼@lemmy.dbzer0.comEnglish
                  1·
                  2 days ago

                  Security-wise you’re better off using whatever OS comes with your device than downgrading to LineageOS. At least most smartphone vendors (except for Fairphone) manage to ship their Stock OS with a locked bootloader and somewhat working Verified Boot.

            • SeekPie@lemm.ee
              4·
              3 days ago

              I don’t think LOS has any privacy/security improvements over the stock android?

              (IIRC) it’s even worse than stock because you can’t lock the bootloader after installation.

              Though if your phone isn’t getting official updates, it’s probably safer with LOS.

          • zerozaku@lemmy.worldEnglish
            41·
            3 days ago

            Xiaomi has the biggest custom ROM scene out there btw despite them trying their hardest to stop bootloader unlocking. You really don’t need to have a company supporting unlocking to make ROMs for them. If they outright block it then that’s an issue.

              • DoeJohn@lemmy.world
                1·
                6 hours ago

                My friend just got a new Xiaomi phone. He tried unlocking it a few days ago and got “try again in 168 hours”. That happened in Europe. It’s an absolute mess nowadays, I remember when they started blocking you from unlocking the bootloader. First you had to wait 24 hours, then 3 days, now it’s an entire week. You also need to make sure you’re logged into your Mi Account on both phone and PC and do even more weird fuckery to ensure the process actually go through. Meanwhile, on GOOGLE Pixel devices you just type one command after you enable oem unlocking in settings and reboot into fastboot mode. Crazy.

  • utopiah@lemmy.ml
    3·
    2 days ago

    Seems like my time to move away from Authy. Any drop in alternative for iOS? Ideally I could export services and load them back, not manually adding/removing 1 by 1. Even if I can’t though, suggestion still welcomed.

  • Anivia@feddit.org
    57·
    3 days ago

    Time to switch away from Auth I guess. Not even using GrapheneOS cause I have a Samsung phone, but this is not acceptable