• LovableSidekick@lemmy.world
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    15 days ago

    We’ve now seen what the ignorance of 10 million who don’t bother to show up can do.

    That’s how many Democrats voted in 2020 but not this year, and are blaming the results on “the party”. Nope, it was you fucktwats.

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      No I voted and still blame them. People were vocal about their concerns and intentions to not vote months before the election and the campaign ignored them and somehow that isn’t their fault.

      Also the 10 million, like you said, were ignorant. It wasn’t the ultra-impassioned grandstanders that affected an election. It was people that saw the last 4 years relatively boring politics as a license to tune out and figured this election wasn’t something they needed to worry about. Those people exist in far FAR higher numbers than anybody actually paying attention

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        14 days ago

        I don’t think repeatedly telling people how important voting is and pleading with them to vote and to get other people to vote is “ignoring” it. What I blame the Democratic party for is not cultivating younger candidates for years and years. There should have been a broader field of viable candidates to narrow down based on public opinion, or at the very least grooming Harris as a likely candidate throughout Biden’s term instead of swapping her in as an emergency backup. Having said that, there’s no excuse for “I’m not voting because there isn’t a good enough candidate!” is the mentality of petulant high school sophomores who refuse to brush their teeth because they’re mad at mom for making them miss soccer practice to go to a dentist appointment - I mean, she’s such a bitch, I’m just gonna let my teeth rot in protest!

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          For sure, but if you tell that kid to just fall in line because you know better, you’re going to get an even more obstructive petulant response to your request. You have to meet people as individuals and let them in on the vision if you want them to be invested in it. Most of the messaging I saw however, was people taking any and all opportunity to display their superiority to anyone that doesn’t immediately fit into the plan

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            14 days ago

            We’re talking about voters not kids, and if you think the message was, “Just fall in line because I know better,” you weren’t paying attention. The Harris campaign bent over backwards to warn people about the dangers of an impending Trump dictatorship. Some people just didn’t listen, or they can’t see significant differences between the Harris and Trump. I can’t even engage with any of that, because to me it’s as stupid as insisting the Earth is flat. Whatever, we are where we are.

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    This criticism of democracy is way older than Kennedy. Socrates thought democracy impossible due to the ignorance of the common person.

    And that’s what this is, an argument against democracy. A vote cast by a shut-in illiterate who chooses candidates based on their astrology sign is just as valid as the chair of the political science department. Anything less than that is an argument for weighted or exclusive suffrage. You can believe in democracy or the “low information” voter, but not both.

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      15 days ago

      Acknowledging that democracy as glorified sortition is not actually in any way better than sortition is not an argument against democracy; it is an argument for creating the circumstances in which an active citizenry meaningfully and knowledgeably participates in the civic life of their polity. It’s not about ‘weighting’ or making suffrage exclusive, it’s about creating a society in which good citizenship is enabled and valued by the institutions of society.

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        creating the circumstances in which an active citizenry meaningfully and knowledgeably participates in the civic life of their polity

        Why stop there? If your project requires an improved humanity to work, why not just improve us until we don’t need governance?

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          15 days ago

          You do realize that an educated citizenry is not some superhuman impossible feat for our genetic code, right

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    15 days ago

    I can guess what he means by the other points but I wonder how being more educated means being more free?

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      one way is, that if you do not know the impact of policies, you cant make informed decisions about them and thereby lose control over your life and environment.