Forgot the name and creator of the theory but it’s basically in/out-group theory. Originally thought up to explain youth criminality in particular.
On another note, if you are interested run a check-list on the criteria that lead to mass criminality as in genocide and the like for Russia/China and the USA in particular. It’s appalling how close they are in that regard. If we ever get a 3rd world war the war crimes will be uncountable
Basically horseshoe theory
I think Saudi Arabia is the perfect example of why even that model isn’t even enough. I mean sure they are a monarchy and quite self-focused but not really in a nationalistic way. To be fair I don’t know much about their domestic politics. To put them into the same corner as Russia, eh dunno.
Q.e.d. you’re not discussing anyway so what’s the point
You’ve not made any points. You have just stated for my knowledge to insufficient. Do you expect me to counter that? That is simply a waste of effort if you don’t even try to put forth arguments.
“Your inability to see past propaganda and to Folter out unnecessary supposed history and cultural peculiarities is the reason you’re completely lulled in by Russian propaganda”.
There, now I’ve done the same, respond then
Now you are sort of arguing. Frankly though, I’ve tried to engage in a debate with you, but if all you do after you’ve finally put forth something of an argument is to be condescending, then I am going to stop this here. You could have elaborated on your arguments but you instead chose to use them in attempt to insult me.
So now that all bets are of, you are an apologetic shill for a dictator and you seem to have fallen for all of his blatant lies. But yes sure play the old western imperialism fiddle - that’s all you apparently can do.
Like xor said, you seem to have quite the understanding of my views on topics I’ve not even discussed. Also whataboutism and gaslighting - have you perhaps run out of arguments? [Edit: after revisiting the thread, I’ve realised that you never even wrote an argument. Gaslighting and whataboutism is the only thing you do. And if you were to count them as arguments, you’re clearly argumenting in bad faith.]
Take a step back and ask yourselves in whose interest you’re argumenting. I myself am arguing in my own interest that is perhaps selfish. Yet based on that interest I believe it is correct to say Ukraine needs to not lose and better yet win. Otherwise Russia set the precedent that war is once again ultima ratio of diplomacy. Something the world more or less unitedly felt to be outdated. Yes, countries have used wars to push interests in other countries, mostly to change the leadership (most famously the USA and the USSR, but also China, France, the UK). No major power tried to move borders prior to Russia’s illegal attack on Ukraine.
As for Israel my interest lies in lasting peace and to ensure that there will always be a place where Jews are welcome. To that end the war needs to end now. Israel mustn’t further fan the flames. The surrounding countries must find a way to live in peace with Israel. Israel must revise their constitution to allow for actually equal rights of any non-Jewish people, ideally by forming a state union with Palestine with equal representation of the latter. And such a country should be formed in the same mindset as post-war Germany.
But saying all that, there’s a massive difference in complexity between the two. The Gaza war has a convoluted mess of history to it. Solving that is not only challenging but necessary to achieve even a semblance of peace that has any chance of lasting. The war in Ukraine is much simpler. There’s not even a remote semblance of justification to it. It is literally just: Russia must stop the war and attempt to reverse the damages caused as far as that is possible.
And out of interest for future World peace, the ones responsible need to face legal consequences by a tribunal that is impartial and non-partisan.
I was saying that there was no expansion before Russia declared war in violation of all international laws and treaties, and in violation of the treaty Russia signed that guarantees Ukrainian independence.
Afterwards NATO grew, whether you want to call to expansion which implies that it is the goal of NATO to grow and threaten its neighbours or you just call it grow which reflects the reality of countries voluntarily joining.
And my comparison was that you cannot threaten your neighbours with a potential war and then expect them to just await their fate without resistance. They have the right to join an alliance as has every sovereign state. They have the right to chose the political system they want as does every sovereign state.
But NO ONE has the right to change the outline of borders by means of war. The world has lost a few million people so that everyone should have learned that lesson. Russia was apparently on the toilet at the time
What expansion? The last two countries joined as result of Russian aggression. The ones before joined because they themselves had experienced that only the membership in a strong alliance can potentially safe them from annexation (Estonia, Lithuania, Latvia, Poland [the last after a deal with literally Hitler]). And once again tell me, why would anyone be afraid of a defensive alliance growing when you don’t intend to invade said countries?
Don’t want to invade your neighbour? Then their NATo-membership is not a problem, hell how about trying to join yourselves?
On another note, an American friend that lives in Germany now told me that the German subs taste wayyyy better as in incomparably better