Unless it’s auditted and open source then you should assume its spyware.
I do. I use Matrix and recommend it to all my friends.
“Telegram is spyware” was not the original thesis I replied to, it was about “operated by the enemy”.
Unless it’s auditted and open source then you should assume its spyware.
I do. I use Matrix and recommend it to all my friends.
“Telegram is spyware” was not the original thesis I replied to, it was about “operated by the enemy”.
Sure, what exactly would you like to have a proof for?
I know, right? I was also shocked when I discovered that it’s not just the evil-evil Russia who does the propaganda thing! :)
Is anything I’ve said a lie though? Or maybe misinformation? Or maybe I’m manipulating facts? Or maybe “Russian talking-points” is how you label inconvenient truth that you are not willing to accept? :)
Debunk what I’ve said, show everyone that I’m just a Russian propagandist (or even better - a bot) spreading lies and deceptions!
Ah yeah right, why do that if calling someone a “Russian larper” is a good enough argument for some folks… :)
Thanks, that was an interesting read :)
Of course it doesn’t prove anything (especially that Telegram sends any information about Ukrainians to Russian government!), but at least those allegations indeed have more credibility than the usual “Russia bad”. It also doesn’t say anything about Durov doing something because he had financial problems. And what it definitely doesn’t say is that “Telegram is operated by Russia”.
Yeah, I hear this quite often :)
Every Ukrainian who doesnt want to die for Zelensky is a Russian, yeah yeah yeah heard that one more times than I can count.
Cheers :)
What gives those rumors credibility other than “Russia bad”?
If you have links to some sources with some facts - I’d very much like to read them
Russia literally wants Ukraine wiped out and yet the idiots unable to change an app on their phone because “network effects and habit”
The thing with Zelensky’s propaganda is that externally (with people familiar with the situation only from CNN (or whever you get your information from…)) it works an order of magnitude better than internally… :)
So “idiots” use Telegram because not only they see no threat in it (why would they?), but also because it helps to avoid the very real threat of “lawful mobilization actions” by the government.
Imagine entire country using coms software operated by the enemy.
Do I get it right that you know that
and still somehow make a conclusion that “it is operated by the enemy” (assuming that by enemy you mean Russian government)? I’d like to learn more about this logic :)
but the government is worried that the app is being used as a method of disinformation
Yeah, disinformation…
People just share too many videos of brutal kidnappings and beating of people in broad daylight lawful mobilization actions by conscription officers there.
And what’s even worse, people warn each other about the places where such lawful mobilization actions are taking place today, so that others can avoid them.
Unthinkable, right?
If Ukraine is very lucky, it may find another leader of Zelensky’s strength and calibre.
Holy shit this is fucked up.
I wish everyone who thinks like this to actually experience living under a sadistic murderous dictator glorious leader like Zelensky who will kidnap you, your friends, your brother, your father, your son and send you all together into the meatgrinder lead you to victory over the “orcs”…
Those people are truly fucking sadists…
I don’t know why the downvotes, it’s true
Haven’t you heard? Any criticism of Ukraine automatically makes you a Russian bot/propagandist, I’m downvoted for spreading Russian propaganda :)
The thing is: Without boots on the ground, the country will stop to exist. And russia will not stop at ukraine. Any ukrainian person capable of walking and holding a gun will likely be drafted for whatever front will open up next.
So maybe, just maybe, Ukrainians don’t care about the colors of the flag they are living under? Maybe, just maybe, it’s the west and Zelensky for whom it makes a difference, and who kill innocent people chasing THEIR goals?
Maybe, just maybe, your opinion is different from opinions of people who actually get slaughtered, maybe they don’t actually think that they will be killed by Russia/Putin and they would prefer that to dying for Zelensky’s regime?
If zelensky is as evil as you are painting him, he would have done a 16+ draft from day 1. But he didn’t.
Because he needs to create at least some kind of illusion that he is the good guy, doesn’t he?
After reading some headlines saying “Zelensky kidnaps boys (or maybe girls too) aged 16 (why not 14 though, there are already some “people” saying that if needed - 14 year olds will be mobilized as well) are kidnapped and sent to the meatgrinder” probably even democrats/liberals would stop supporting this madness? At least I hope they would, I don’t know if there are ANY red lines here…
It kind of does. espeically the forceful drafting. But due to the massive population difference it’s not that noticable
That’s awful, why does nobody talk about it? I don’t see it mentioned in the news lately, while Zelensky’s regime kidnappings are very well covered even in the western media nowadays. Whoever does not put this into mass media is doing Russians a favour, because some naive folks like me might start thinking that it’s actually Zelensky’s regime who does it, and people on Russia controlled territories are way safer and have more freedom than those who are on Zelensky controlled territories.
You’re not going to frag any recruitement officers due to the lack of any grenades (I highly assume. maybe you stocked up).
It doesn’t have to be a grenade - “Fragging is the deliberate or attempted killing of a soldier, usually a superior, by a fellow soldier.”. Whatever wounds/kills your kidnapper (or anybody connected with kidnapping and sending people to their deaths) thus preventing them from hurting more people is good enough.
If you want to hurt the people responsible: if you get drafted and resigned to off yourself, might as well get to the front and take out some occupiers instead of dying by hurting the defending army
Fighting for Zelensky’s regime will only encourage him to kidnap and hurt more people, it’s morally wrong to help him in any way. Fighting him and his regime is the thing that might saves lives.
Sounds like it’s worth a try.
If that’s directed to me, then well - thank you for your concern, but fortunately I left the country shortly before the war started, so I will only need to fight for my life if Zelensky’s regime will convince other governments to start deporting people from other countries (thankfully he did not manage to do that at least for now).
That’s not the case for my friends and family most of whom are still in Ukraine. They all mostly hope to not be kidnapped until Zelensky’s regime is gone.
The question is: how sure are you that it will be different when russia ultimately conquers ukraine?
I am not sure, but
Fragging any officers on ukraine side is not really going to help anyone.
Fragging officers (including “recruitment officers”) is in fact the best thing you can do if you are already captured by “recruitment officers” and cannot escape the war. At least you will help other people, whom Zelensky’s regime will be more afraid to kidnap now.
Only real possibility for you would be to get out of the country by any means. Even if it means sneaking over the border at night with just a backpack.
That’s what people do, unfortunately a lot of people have either died that way, or were captured by the “heroes” of the border guard. Zelensky has way more success in defending the western border of his kingdom (against simple folk trying to escape his regime), then the eastern one (against a proper army). I know both people who managed to escape (although through occupied territories, not through forests/mountains/rivers) and those who got caught and sent to the meatgrinder.
Honestly, I don’t even know how to comment this shit…
What I do know though, is that there millions of people sadists (some may appear in the comments to this post) who will justify this, and say that its okay for Zelensky’s regime to exterminate as many Ukrainians as he wants, as long as Russians are dying as well… :(
You’re not an adult in cognitive development until 25. Children are easily manipulated even at late stages.
Thankfully, our great Lord and Saviour Zelensky has solved the problem of manipulation!
In Ukraine nobody manipulates you to join the army, you are just kidnapped off the street and sent to a meatgrinder (sometimes a free beating is included, and even a free stay in some basement for a few days!).
And that’s what will probably happen to 18 year olds soon.
Let me guess, you think Russia/China/etc. banning websites is bad (because obviously they are doing it due to being authoriatarian regimes and to not let people learn the truth), and EU (or generally any western country) banning websites is good (because obviously it would be done to protect democracy and people from consuming dangerous misinformation)?
Did I miss anything? :)
Thank god Zelensky is not trying to commit genocide on Ukrainians denying them their right for self-determination by forbidding people to leave the country and kidnapping them off the streets 1 by 1 in front of their mothers/wives and sending them to the meatgrinder, am I right, my dear Western friend holding the moral high ground?